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A hatred of men is an essential part of transphobia against both trans women and trans men.
Genuinely curious how you would explain the transphobia of the far right with this logic.
Does Matt Walsh hate men?
Yes.
He hates men who do not conform to the patriarchy’s ideals of manhood. He hates gay men. He hates men of color. He hates fat men. He hates men who are too thin. He hates short men. He hates Jewish men. He hates disabled men. He hates poor men.
He hates any man who does not conform to white American Christian cishet patriarchy.
And a hatred of men is not the only part of transphobia. You’ll notice I said it is a part of transphobia. Misogyny - a hatred of women - is also a part of transphobia.
I wish people could just not hate
Me too.
Misandry posting is so frustrating because yes, in fact, the fat/trans/black/etc part of it is what the far right hates. Matt Walsh or whoever else doesnt hate a cishet white male, that is his ideal. Saying that misandry effects trans women is both somewhat offensive and also ignores the whole premise of transmisogyny: any far right person does not see a trans woman as either a man or a woman. They see them as subhuman. That’s it.
Yeah, mosta that crap is linked misogyny if you have to gender it: re: fat people. Misandry is simply not a societal force worth considering and does not at all factor into these chud’s logic
I recommend both of you look through the comments on this post as well as this post and rethink what you’ve said here.
I’d like to note that I never said misandry was a form of societal oppression identical to misogyny; all I said is that it exists and it matters as an aspect of transphobia. In the USA, systemic misandry does not exist; our society is not structured to oppress all men no matter what. And I never said it was. But that doesn’t mean misandry isn’t a part of the patriarchy; it is, and it’s an important facet.
Black men are not just hated because they’re black; the fact that they are black MEN is incredibly important with regards to the type of hatred they face. Asian men aren’t just hated because they’re Asian, they type of stereotypes they have to fight against are inextricably linked to the fact that they are MEN.
To ignore the role of gender in oppression is to ignore part of how it works.
Trans people face abuse not just because we’re changing our gender and/or sex, we face abuse specifically because of our simultaneous proximity to manhood and womanhood.
To ignore the role of maleness/manhood in this is ignoring the source of the abuse, which means you’ll never actually get rid of the abuse.
And it’s not offensive to say bigots think trans women are men. Pointing out what bigots believe does not mean I personally believe it too.
I do not think trans women are men. But bigots do. And it’s important to point this out, because it matters. We can’t stop it if we deny it is happening.
DO you think transmisogyny was just coined so as to not hurt transfems’ feelings? Ever consider mayhaps why genderfuckery is considered wrong societally, surely couldn’t couldn’t be related to power structures relating to coercively assigned gender.
In addition, while fear of men does exist, it’s a tool and feature of patriarchy, a method of control, and definitely not the root cause of black/latino mens’ oppression, it’s a modifier, but in truth all black/latino people are seen as more aggressive and threatening by default, the root cause there is antiblack racism modified by misogynistic patriarchal power structures and systems of control. Also fat, short, and asian men are hated because they’re seen as not being fully masculine, alongside gay men.
Actually, while I’m still here…. let’s tackle the OG argument: transfems aren’t considered men or women by bigots, we’re considered less, the worst of both as is suits them. And transmascs aren’t even considered men at all. The issue with transness is gender power dynamics, ‘women’ shouldn’t seek to rise above their station, and 'men’ shouldn’t see anything good in the 'lesser’ gender.
Transmisandry / transandrophobia / anti-transmasculinity -
The coining of these terms had nothing to do with trans women.
These terms were coined by trans men because we lacked the language to describe our oppression. Period. That’s it. We didn’t have a word, and we needed a word, so we created a word.
That’s it.
“In addition” - yes, you’re right. A fear of men is absolutely 100% a tool of the patriarchy. I’ve actually talked extensively on this issue in other posts, including how it intersects with race. But again, the fact that they are men is core to how they are viewed and hated and you cannot dissect away their manhood out of convenience.
“OG argument” - I think multiple things can be true. Sometimes we as trans people are viewed as men, sometimes as women, and sometimes as a subhuman “other”. It depends on what the bigot needs in that moment to hurt us the most.
We are viewed as men when it is convenient to bigots to frame us as frightening and violent. We are treated and feared as men when it allows the bigots to be afraid of us, when it allows them to rally fear of us in others; when they can cry “think about the poor little girls in the bathrooms, think of the poor little girls playing sports! Testosterone is an evil hormone that makes you ugly and violent! It makes you rape people! It’s why males are inherently violent! You just want to oppress women!”.
It is convenient for them to view us as women when they want to frame us as weak idiots who are unable to think for ourselves. “They’re all too stupid to know what they want and are being misled by the beauty industry! Trans men just want to escape the patriarchy! Trans men only feel "dysphoria” because skinny is the beauty standard! Trans women just want to uphold patriarchal standards of womahood and beauty! They’re all supporting the plastic surgery industry which is exploiting them and they’re too stupid to realize it!“
And yeah, a lot of the time this means they treat us as inhuman "nonpeople” with all the bad traits of both genders. We are both so stupid we don’t know basic biology, and simultaneously so clever we can “trick the youth”, for example.
Multiple things can be true at once. But one thing that is absolutely true is that a hatred and fear of the extreme forms of maleness and manhood are inherently a part of how bigots treat us. And you seem to agree with that.
And that’s all I’m saying.